Thinking of purchasing..have a few questions!

Hi,

I’m thinking of purchasing the Live Hub, but I have a few questions.

First, when connected to a PC via GigE, what speeds do you get transferring files? (And will the speed be the same if connected to a router with GigE ports? Would it be significantly less if connected to a router with 10/100 ports?)

Second, is Wireless G enough to stream video files to the TV? (720p or less?) Or should it be Wireless N? (or would you advise forgetting about wireless and going with wired LAN?)

Finally, I understand that the hub can be seen as a network drive on connected PCs. Would I be able to simply browse the networked drive on my laptop, open and watch video (also 720p or less) files without copying to the laptop? (Would it also work over Wireless G or should it be N?) Transferring files over WiFi will surely be very slow, so it would be quite annoying if I have to transfer each video to the laptop to watch it. 

Any feedback is much appreciated,

Rawan

Blu-Ray rips need to wired GigE for streaming or USB storage direct. ( 25 - 50 MB/s)

DVD may work wireless G 54Mb/s and will work wireless N 300 Mb/s  (2 -10 MB/s)

Wired works best. I ran cat6 to where I was wireless & added 2 8-port GigE switches.

File transfer from computer to Hub local storage is about 8 MB/s over GigE.

Network sharing is easy to or from your WD hub. I have a 10 TB (5x 2TB WD Green) NAS (DROBO FS) that my hub streams Blu-Ray.iso from easily. Drobo FS will transfer 30 MB/s writes and 50 MB/s read over GigE.

Thank you for your reply… Any idea about the speeds from computer to Hub over 100 mbps ethernet? (my current router has 10/100 ports…trying to figure out if I should upgrade to a gigabit router). At any rate, 8MB/s over GigE seams painfully slow…How is one expected to fill the HD with media at this rate? Any other (faster) way to do so?

As for network sharing; what I meant to ask is the following. I’m not sure how it works, but I would assume you would see the hub as a network drive in my computer? If so, I am asking about the capability of  browsing the network drive for a video file and simply opening to play it on the laptop (instead of copying it to the laptop’s hard drive). My assumption is that this should work well over LAN? How about Wireless G? N?  [I intend on having most of my video files stored on the Hub, but I would want to watch videos on my laptop/desktop sometimes without having to copy them back from the Hub to the PC]

Thanks again!

See review here:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3990/western-digital-wdtv-live-hub-review/4

It appears that the GbE port is more of a marketing gimmick. It does have a real GbE chip but the speed is reduced internally by other factors.

The hub can be used as NAS both when on and in standby. You can browse it like any network drive and play files on your computer. It works with WIFI but obviously this has limitations with high bit-rate files and therefore wired is preferable. It also has an inbuilt Twonky media server.

Thank you for your reply. So I guess upgrading my router to a gigabit router is not necessary if I decide to go with the Hub. Do you think that 720p or lower videos will play well over Wireless G?

PS: I have no idea what the Twonky media server is, or what it does! :stuck_out_tongue:

It all depends, you may find that they play OK or they start to play and then the sound goes or the picture freezes. Lower quality are more likely to play than high quality. Its difficult to say because it all depends what signal strength / quality you get with your WIFI. You can only try it and see. G is not recommended, N is the best but cable is better.

Twonky is a media server which you can install on a PC or in this case on the hub.

http://www.twonky.com/

hmm…the thing is, if I’m gona go wireless (what I’m hoping for), I am gonna buy a wireless N router (mine is G) and a wireless N  adapter. I know that trying would be best, but if there’s a high chance it won’t work over wifi, i’d rather not spend the money at this point :stuck_out_tongue:

[If it makes any difference, the Hub will either be a wall away from the router (less than a meter away, through 1 wall) or in the room facing the router’s room (10-15 meters away?)  Extending an ethernet cable to the room a meter away won’t be a problem, but it’s nearly impossible to the one 15 meters away!]

Belkin has a new powerline GigE adapter for sale. “Belkin Gigabit Powerline HD Starter Kit” this may be a solution to your 15 meter problem. I did try using  Dlink’s power line adapter but it was only 10/100 and claimed speeds up to 200*. * how could it do that? I don’t know.  It may be an option if it actually works as advertised.

If you buy a router or switch and want to stream data through it, I would recommend the Gigabit ports. If your computer or NAS has the files you want to stream and the hub is connected to the router/switch a 10/100 port will cause a bottle neck for high bit rate video.

Another thing to keep in mind is network traffic flow, it can be a bottle neck issue if you don’t consider the multiple directions of data flow. A NAS should be centrally located on the network Other networked devices like Blu-ray players, gaming consoles, desktops, laptops and smart phones will all need bandwidth down the road. Plan ahead and spend wisely! 

The belkin kit sounds interesting. If Im not mistaken, Seagate also has something similar. But I don’t think I’d be needing something like that (nor do I have the cash for it at this moment.) The highest video file I have would be a 720p video. (How much exactly is “high bitrate” btw?)

If the GigE port on the hub is a marketing gimmick, do I really need a gigabit router? At any rate, right now I’m inclined to get the Live Plus unit with a 1.5 TB My Book World. It’s on sale at newegg, wouldn’t cost much more than the Hub, but I’ll be gaining (a much needed) 500 GB worth of space. And if I’m not mistaken the Live Plus unit does not have GigE.

Btw, could you elaborate more on the network traffic flow and bottleneck issue you mentioned? (I have 2 laptops. a desktop, and possible 2 smartphones connected to my router. Assuming they’re all on at the same time, what would that cause? Sorry for the noob question, not very familiar with the issue.

I use a powerline network - devolo 200mb - and this works fine for streaming, going into a GB router. Only downside is that copying a HD movie over to teh hub can take 30 minutes +.

Surely network bottlenecks depend on your activity in general. I set my bittorents to run only overnight else the system would come to a halt.

Once you decide to expand your network with switches and install ethernet cable to different rooms of your house, you may need to consider network traffic depending on the number of users. If you are single user with only a router you never have to worry about traffic. Once you add a switch to you router and more users (wife and 3 kids) and more computers and network devices the traffic increases.

You may already have some of these already, game consoles, smart phones, digital cable, satellite receivers, surround amplifiers, Blu-Ray players, network added storage and media streamers. Wireless traffic will be directly to your router or to a wireless access point off a switch. Generally low flow traffic devices can go over wireless with ease. Internet providers are offering  15MB/s services as standard. your standard switch 10/100 does a max of 100 M bits/s or 12.5MB/s (100/8 = bits to Bytes) .

One user and easily fill the traffic lane by 1 downloaded file at maximum transfer. Say you wired the house for 4 users 2 computers, 1 laptop and a WDTV Live Hub. You have a NAS, wireless router and 5-port switch. 4 rooms are wired from the 5 port switch, port 1 in and port 3-5 out, the router feeds the switch and you have 3 spare ports at the router. The internet comes in the routers in port and supplies internet to all users on the 5 port switch. All 4 users share the 1 port from the router to the switch,  12.5MB bandwidth needs to be shared 4 ways.

You could better the traffic flow if 2 users were connected to the switch and 2 to the router or increase the port bandwidth to 1000 mb/s with a giga bit speed. If your router is gigabit and your switch is gigabit your bandwidth is now 125MB/s (1000/8  = bits to bytes) . 

You may say I don’t download files that is fine to share the 4 ports for internet access, just browsing and sharing music, you be fine. when you decide to add network storage (NAS) for media you have or want everyone to be able to enjoy, where to connect it? You could add another switch to the router or existing 5 port switch. You could say I putting on the router not buying another switch. Again the best solution is to put 2 users on the router and 2 on the 5 port switch but that’s not possible since the switch is in the basement electrical room. The NAS would work best if it was on the 5-port switch where the users are. You could replace the 5-port switch with a 8-port switch or add another switch to the 5-port switch. But consider that new TV and Xbox wants a network connection. You may end up daisy chaining switch to switch to switch. The network is expanding beyond that simple router you had a while ago and you are now the network administrator.

Your wife say the picture is freezing and the audio is missing when the kids are playing Xbox and that NAS thing can’t be working right and Jr. is watching TV instead of homework because the internet is to slow. Your going to have to move the NAS to a more central point on the network. The NAS needs to be put on the 5-port switch so everyone can have equal access to it with out affecting others.

Look at each user path way to the NAS, Internet and other users. The desktop down stairs is being used as a (DVR) digital video recorder with Windows media center. Everyone picked up on your secret that they can watch recorded TV from their computer like you.

Only problem is that you need to find a balance for everyone and still be able to do what you used to do.

Maybe that Gigabit router and switch was the right way to go a while ago.

May I suggest that in future you break up your post into paragraphs. It makes it easy to read.